Hi Chris, So I pulled the thermocouple and checked it in hot water against two food/oven thermometers I have. I am not sure exactly what you did when you moved the wires terminating on the bottom of the power switch. When the ">" key is pressed, the controller starts the brewing sequence automatically. One bit of note and a request. (PID Temperature Controller Meter Indicator, Jaybva Digital Universal Thermostat C and Fahrenhe F Display SSR and Alarm Output 40A Solid State Relay and Thermocouple Probe Heat Sink Included)? Whole Latte Love has a new video about preinfusion on the classic. For questions, please contact us. I would not try anything without checking first. With a SV of 103C (not offset), during initial overshoot the heater would sometimes be one when it was at 104-105C with the temperature rising as high as 108. Hi Brandon. I'd like to increase the brew temp a couple of degrees but have no idea how to do this. Ive tried connecting these in various combinations but the PV readout is 3 or 4. Your email address will not be published. What exactly is a mains-rated wire, and where would I find one? Thanks. it is basically removing the main pump wire and re routing back to the PWM out. Maybe Im missing something? SSR control ready to connect external Solid State Relay to handle High current. Ill try to get a new thermostat from a reputable place, see if that solves the problem, and if it remains then something else in the machine is wrong. For the European version of Gaggia Classic 2015 (RI9403, 240V) please checkKIT-GGX-EU. Perhaps Ill use a spare Arduino or FPGA to PWM the boiler while brewing as someone else was saying. Do you have any idea how to do? The fun of the PID is not just the great stability, but the ability to fine tune the brew temperature to your taste! 102 is even 3 degrees below my brew temperature. These wires will be connected to the solid state relay later on, so they no longer need to be in the bottom of the machine. LED display color. Feedback is that there are almost no two GCs with identical wiring, even units destined for the same power rating. Its pretty straightforward. Pull the two wires that you removed from the thermostat up to the top of the machine, near the rest of the wires that run from the front to the back of the machine. Hi Jimmy. The only other thing I can think of is the relay. When set up on my bench it tucks away nicely in behind out of sight and only needs to come out when in use. Somebody else (Andrue) had also pointed this error out. For RI9403, please check KIT-GGX-EU. I started with 103, and bumped it up to 105. Stay connected. For those interested I just bought a cheap ($13) K-type thermocouple and thermometer (TM-902C) https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/224710871179. Id really love to do the install, however I have ZERO experience in electrical installation. Hi Jun, and thanks for the update. However, when I flip the gaggia power switch to off, the PID LCD screen remains illuminated. Which Auber PID for Gaggia Classic? If you are in the U.S. then mains voltage is 120V, which will not kill you (unless you have a pacemaker or are standing in a bathtub) but can give you a decent shock. Steam will still be controlled by the steam thermostat. Loosen the four bolts that hold down the boiler assembly. Regulate the standby coffee water temperatureto within 1 (F or C) accuracy. The Gaggia Classic is a very capable espresso machine that gets even better with a couple of improvements. Shades and Auber Instruments. But, I still get loads of steam and spray before it settles down. You could definitely drill out the adapter a bit to get the thermocouple to fit. Should this be cause for concern, maybe caused by an error in wiring the PID? Useful link. Hi Anton. Ive been having trouble steaming milk lately, and wonder if there might be something wrong with the thermostat in my machine, wiring problems extending to this as well, or the steam valve might finally be needing a replacement. Let me know your thoughts !!! This approach would make your machine a bit weird to someone who wasnt aware of what you did, as the brew function would be completely unusable without adjusting the temperature. Have you checked the temperature accuracy of your PID & Thermocouple? Hello, thanks for the nice and valuable text. Shall I change the P,I and D parameters manually and what is your suggestion to start with? You can only buy them as spare parts. But nothing prevents you from using the PID and thermocouple as a temperature indicator. Wanted to double check here for some observations a about three months after installing the PID. 2: The add-on item option "extra wire defeating auto-off timer" is for the Gaggia Classic Pro European model (RI9480, 240V), which has the auto-turn-off timer feature. Neutral is the return path for the hot or load wire. Once you are able use the PID temperature readout to determine exactly what the steam cycle is, you know when to start steaming for more or less endless steam. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). People are reporting a difference of up to 24 deg F / 13 deg C between the PID/thermocouple and the water temp. Terrific write-up thank you for posting it! I think Mr Shades has managed to do this using only cables because I dont think he instructs anything to void the warranty. Either way, you are looking at a lot more complexity and cost. When I got my C100 the thermocouple was M6, i ended up buying an m4 brass bolt drilling it out, and inserting the thermo with some glue and heatshrink on it and it works like magic added some thermal paste. QB-T7200 48*24mm Programmable Digital PID Temperature Controller with Built-in 5A Solid State Relay XMT7100 AC/DC85~260V. If the wiring was done correctly, the PID should power up when the Classic is turned on. Log in or sign up to leave a comment. Depending on the draw of the display (I saw 50mA somewhere), you could also try running it off a battery. Variants Coffee Only + Installation - No Coffee Only + Installation - Yes Coffee, Steam & Pre-infusion + Installation - No Coffee, Steam & Pre-infusion + Installation - Yes Quantity Free Shipping Parts Then use the left/right buttons to select the digits to increase and decrease, and the up/down buttons to change the digits. Heat the shrink tubing. Most assembly guides recommend using some thermal paste between the SSR and the Classic to ensure that any heat from the SSR is dumped to the chassis. The KIT-GG is a retrofitting kit designed to control the coffee water temperatureon an espresso machine. Thanks for your time. Adding pre-infusion would require either a different and significantly more sophisticated PID, or integration with something like a microcontroller. The YouTube video from wll about replacing the boiler made the whole thing very easy. Since I cant control that, if you want to use it, you will have to parse the data: each line, after the headings, should start with the PID parameter (P, I, D) followed by the reaction of the controller. Im assuming it should be fine as well to use 18 awg wire to wire the mains connections to the PID, and between the heating element and the SSR? I used lamp cord for this. I am flattered, but will have to pass. Can anyone advise on the PT100 sensor setup? View Product Information. The kit includes all the parts and the materials to complete its function. When I turn off, it goes back to zero. Update:This kit is compatible with the latestGaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular model (RI9380, 120V or 240V) and the European model(RI9480, 240V). What is your coffee bean dark or light? Maybe this could serve instead of trying to find an M4 thermocouple. Do I got the kit with pre-infusion or just the standard one? Hi Andrue. Hi Dennis. Once these bolts are removed, the boiler can be moved around without having to disconnect any hoses or wires. PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home PID Temperature Control Retrofit KIT for Rancilio Silvia Espresso Machine [KIT-GG] - $149.50 : Auber Instruments, Inc., Temperature control solutions for home and industry Home :: Coffee Machine Kits :: PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home Coffee Machine Kits Product 4/21 On thing I realised is that Mr Shades does not allow purchasing the parts seperately unless you already purchased the kit as a whole. I was initially concerned about my wiring (and my GFI) but its reassuring to hear you have the same side effects. Is this typical? The biggest problem was the fact that the brew water control did not work: the SSR was never switched on by the thermocouple output. Monitor and display the boiler temperature precisely. I am not surprised, Mr Shades runs an honest business, and those parts are being offered at low prices. Hi Murat, Even though the wires are insulated, as someone posted earlier, that metal is sharp and the vibration from the machine may eventually cause the insulation to fail and then your whole machine is a conductor. When the temperature stabilizes to within 1 degree of the target temperature, the auto-tuning is complete. This PID controller kit has all the features of our other listing titled "PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG", with the addition of pre-infusion and steam temperature control. 1. Did you reverse any wires to the steam switch? Then use the cursor keys to select the digits to increase and decrease. Is this just a matter of adjusting the offset of the PID? As for you steam mode question, if you followed this guide for installing your PID, the PID will have no effect on the the steam temperatures or functions. For the melted connector plastic, thats a sign of either a wire or a connector that is carrying too much current for its rating, or most likely, a connection between the wire and connector that is not as solid as it should be. Im in North America btw. Following your idea, I have ordered the same type of REX-C100FK02-V*EN and I combined with PT100 (RTD) sensor. Keep the thermostat, in case you want to return the Classic back to factory condition. You could approach this two ways. Hi Chris, As in, temperature was set, changed, maintained for pulling shots, as well as steam. XMT720LCD . I am beginning to suspect that Gaggia created as many combinations of wiring configurations and colors as they made machines. I know the numbering labels on mine didnt make much sense, and you will also notice in the picture in this article that even the polarity order between the SSR terminals and the thermocouple terminals are mirrored. Despite the K02 indicating K-type, it was advertised as supporting multiple types including PT100. But follow chriss advice and be careful and you should be OK. And also use a rubber grommet to route your wires through the slots in the back of the chassis. The sensor has three wires: 1 x red and 2 x white. The PID works after hooking everything up. Thus, it will significantly improve the taste and consistency of your espresso. Upgrade your Gaggia Classic with the Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia. My plan is to install the Rex C100 first using your instructions. Hi Chris Thermocouple: J,S,K,E,Wre3 ~ Wre25 If youre not comfortable installing this yourself, and taking on any followup maintenance, I think you would be much better off purchasing a machine that comes with a PID from the factory. I do not suggest autotuning for this device because there is a huge improvement in temperature stability if you do the tuning by yourself. When the steam switch is turned on, the on/off temperature of the heater is controlled to 1 degree (F or C) difference as compared with the original thermostat's >10C (or 20F) difference. Heres how to install a PID on the Gaggia Classic Pro. Do the same with the other connector wire. For espresso, 9 bars is the generally preferred pressure. Chris, do you recall what size flat head screw was used on the 3d printed box for the REX-100? I guess I could revert the machine and see what I get. Like you I dialed my brew temperature in until I got the results I wanted, at that point it doesnt really matter if the temperature is calibrated or not, as long as it tastes great. The silver box is coated with clear anodized aluminum with a brush-finished stainless steel front panel. robert kujawa 348 subscribers Subscribe 85K views 1 year ago In this video I'll install a PID unit on my Gaggia. Box color. Thanks again for all your support. I dont want to void my warranty. As for steam, the guide I wrote leaves the steam function completely untouched. If you have a 12v pid could you do everything as you have done except the mains wiring and instead wire the pid directly to an old phone wall charger for power? I hesitate to identify wires by their color, as the wire colors in the Gaggia seem to vary from year to year and from region to region. i ordered K type and PT100 both for M4. Thanks for your reply: I think you are correct about the Gc being stuck in steam mode, but I never touched the steam switchs wires and reverting the top/bottom swap on the power switch didnt solve the issue. I placed the SSR toward the left side of the back panel if facing the front of the machine. I also think that you may have less difficulty reaching the thermostat, the 2019+ models have a lot less room to spare inside. While the steam switch is engaged, the PID serves to provide a temperature reading of the boiler, which is great, because you can use that temperature reading to time when to start steaming for maximum steam performance. Did you make any changes to the setting of the PID? Youre giving up one of the two temperature readouts, so youll probably only see the actual temperature, as opposed to the target temperature, and I guess you can switch between the two with a button press. Im on [emailprotected] Hi David. The pump can be stopped at any time by pressing the ">" key a second time. My problem is that since installing the mod, my machine gets way too hot and boils. The ability to make good espresso is one of the most coveted skills in the coffee world. I know wiring might be different colours but is everything in the same place? The steam mode has its own thermostat, which is very similar to the brew thermostat that the PID replaced, except that its temperature range is more or less as you described. You effectively would have two steam modes, one PID-controlled that replaces the brew mode, and one classic thermostat-controlled steam mode. It did take a few rounds to get it right, but it was successfully installed and functioning for a few months. Run-program does a 1s pre-infuse followed by about 1s pause, then 30s pump on. Also really awesome write up. Thanks Alex! Always work with the Classic unplugged. So far the temp range Ive seen when the heater cycles on/off (after ~30 mins of warming up) is ~90C to ~97C. In a nutshell, the Gaggia Classic thermostat is replaced by the combination of the the thermocouple, the PID, and the solid state relay. Hey Chris, Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. The PID kit you described should work, but like the C-100 kit the I used, the included thermocouple wont fit in the Gaggia Classic. I have an old Gaggia Carezza (uses the Gaggia / SaecoEF0030/A Boiler). Thermocouple included: M6*1 thread , K type , 2m cable You could simulate pre infusion by briefly running the pump. Thanks. I strongly suggest checking which switch terminal switches the mains. Im all for freedom of expression and creativity, but not when it might electrocute someone. Is this a typo on your part or a mistake on their part? It shows that neutral cables coming from thermostats are connecting each other under the steam switch but mine are connected under the main switch. I adjusted the calibration offset on the PID +5.5 degrees to read 212 degrees.Have you any suggestions of more accurately calibrating the PID and TC? You can search on Reddit, a few people have made these modifications. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Is there a way to calibrate the read out close to the water out temperature. The Auber pretends to add a couple of things, but functionally, they're very much the same. Most thermocouple calibration articles that I have read use ice water to calibrate to zero degrees C because the boiling point of water varies with altitude. Does the PID generate enough heat to melt the Lego bricks? I am guessing that its caused by the current draw of the boiler heater. $326.00. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoZuYaDq5yc, Thanks Jeff, thats a great video. Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the, PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG, How to Download Manuals for Login-Required Kits, USB LCD PID Temp Controller with Timer, Ramp Soak Optional RS485, Silicone Braided Cable for PT100-L Series Probe, 12 ft, Water-Resistant 3-Pin Connector, Rear Mount, Round Flange Socket, (For orders placed recently in 2022) If you placed the order as a guest, you cantry the, (For orders placed a while ago) Please log in and download the manual from your order history page. Started by Rocky47. Ill dismantle on a cleaning weekend and test the thermocouple again. Circuit diagram of Gaggia Classic with the KIT-GG connection. D 9. Do you think this makes a difference? Hard to say how long it took because I was doing other things as well (dimmer switch, boiler pressure gauge, boiler rebuild, etc.) Measured everything with multimeter, then realized that C100 doesnt get main while machine is on based on the lights. There is definitely a falloff from the temperature reported by the thermocouple at the boiler and what you will measure at the group head. under the name replacement PID kit parts with very low prices. This prevents the high-pressure water from contacting the dry coffee powder which can create afast flow channel, ruiningthe brewing process. If you really want these features, its probably time to think about upgrading your machine. 4.8. I have noticed after PID installation that upper cup holder tray is getting quite hot during 8-10 min warm-up, which was not the case when I was using the original GCP setup. Run this wire along the rest of the existing cables and out the back of the Classic, through one of the vent slots. Specifications : Bliss. The only suprise for me has been that installing steam kit did not help me much because brewing kit alone helped to have great steaming power by only watching temperature climb up to 150 degrees. It is suitable for other colored espresso machines. Hello. CONCLUSION! But this kit doesn't fit the European model RI9403, which has a stainless steel boiler with a different thermostat mounting. Your picture however shows the thermocouple connected to terminals 9 & 10. The coffee water temperature in the boiler of a home espresso machine is originally controlled by a bi-metal thermostat, which causes a big temperature swing. My install went as smooth as I hoped all my wire colours and locations were identical to yours (Phewf). Im thinking Id like to start with just a temperature indicator, to assist with the surfing. Thats what Auber and Shades use, although they make their own. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). When I started steaming at that point thermostat never shut down the boiler because temperature did not reach to limit of thermostat. You need a 85-250V DC model, as the power will be coming from the Classic, which is mains-level voltage. Hi Evan. The PID, RTD sensor and SSR (20 Amps) are installed on Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+. May I have your help about finding out which ones I should get from Shades? Obviously the actual water temp will be different, but I can use this range to try and get a consistent temp when I pull a shot. It has been working flawless for the most part, but seen a few issues that havent seen before. You want to connect the PIDs mains power terminal to the side of the Gaggia power switch that cuts out power when the machine is off. I will purchase the PID kit with thermocouple and SSR from aliexpress and buy these rest small items from Mr. It is the perfect place. Tighten one end of your connector down to one of the solid state relays AC (~) terminals and plug the other end into one of the disconnected thermostat wires. It has worked without issue so far, and maybe thats bound to happen to the plastic as current goes through and it gets old, but would love to hear other opinions. One end is connected to the mains connector at the back (where it is showing N sign), the other end is connected to the back of the on off switch (as you showed on the picture above). The kit is compatible with both 110VAC and 240VAC power. Basically, instead of running the pump for a few seconds and then shutting it off (which dumps your pressure courtesy of the solenoid valve) you open the steam valve about 1/4 to half way, hit the brew switch and then slowly close the steam valve (about 5 seconds or so). Jun 25, 2014 - Auber Instruments, Inc. PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home, Pre-infusion [KIT-GGP] - Update: This kit is compatible with the latest Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular version (RI9380, 120V, or 240V) and the European version (RI9480, 240V). Submit a Request Call Us at (888)-389-4123. I have found this PID kit here on Ali express and I think its the same one you fitted can you please tell me if this one is good to go, they got a 3 piece option and a 4 piece option so dont know which, I think the 4 piece option is because it includes a heat sink that you dont mention, so I assume I wont be needing it, can you please advise. There are several PID kits that are available for the Gaggia, the most popular ones are by Mr. Hello Chris, These set the parameters and algorithms that monitor and control. Accuracy: 0.2% I like the quality of the shots, and temperature consistency is more important to me than pressure consistency. (Gaggia Classic) I swear this is the last question I will ask today lol. The only cable arrangement I had to change after installing the PID was switching those cables in the back, the one on the top I had to put in the bottom, and the one on the bottom in the top, otherwise the PID would stay on when the machine was off, and off when the machine was on. Double sided tape will work. Nikola. Power supply : 90-265V AC/DC I formatted the table, its very useful. At the amperages required to control the boiler heating element, you need an SSR that has enough mass and exposed metal to be able to attach it to a heat sink. However, depending on the seller, some settings may need to be changed. I have re-read the specifications for this controller. Brass is soft and easy to drill, and all the adapter needs to do is provide a connection between the thermocouple and the boiler, so there would be no hard in doing this. excluding VAT. Since installing the modification, I get a huge amount of steam and spray coming out of the portafilter when I first operate the pump so much so, that it sprays all over the worktop around the machine! No gross taste. Espresso Machines; Parts & Accessories; Unfortunately, I didnt measure any temperatures for the un-modified machine. Shades uses an XMT7100 modified to run two SSRs: a DA for the brew temp and an AA for the steam temp. Note that according to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UETVv0qgz-w, you can switch the C-100 between Celsius and Fahrenheit. Locked Topic Sticky Topic . I have found the exact PID unit which Mr Shades is using and purchased it beside the Rex C100 kit you mentioned above: Did you try it? If you have questions regarding ourcoffee kits, please check ourHelp Centerfirst. . The machine and PID were working great, my brother gave me a quick rundown of the PID basics (how it displays the boiler temp, how it pre-infuses, and then times a 30 second shot pull). This product was added to our catalog on Tuesday 26 June, 2007. Please see our Help Center's. Again, as above, run this cable out the back, and leave it unterminated and longer than needed. Here are a couple of examples: Hi Chris, Instruction Manual for PID controller kit - Picr. Does this happen even if you let the machine sit in steam mode and dont open the steam valve?. There is definitely something weird going on. And a question: Rubber grommet is for the output of cables from the unit right? Awesome guide! Hi Murat. Each segmentcan be set by the user with 0.1 seconds resolution. Thanks in advance. The A vs E should not make a difference as I am not using alarm function, and am using it with a 3-wire PT100. If you have never done this before, know that you are working with live household current, and this can kill you. Pull the steam wand up and out of the Classic, and set it aside. Also noticed if you use the steam for the milk it takes a lot of time to go back down (10min) to the set temp(i do run water through the boiler to bring the temp down, but it floats at a higher temp for a bit), does the steam affect the PID calculation or dont I need to worry about it? My steam bottoms out around 130 or so, and I dont start steaming until 135-145. Hi Tom. Thanks so much for the awesome guide! gaggia classic pro pid installation guideAUBER PID for gaggia classic proThis is a walkthrough / guide on ins. Stock situation: Silver case : Last one or two!!! I did that exercise before installing the PID, behavior should be identical as that time. What you describe looks very much like the steam thermostat cycle. Two different colors of the controller box are offered, silver and black. Approach 1: Follow my writeup, adapting it to your models peculiarities, and then set the PID temperature to your preferred steam temperature. I found this M8 female to M4 male reducer: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284317077676. I would like to use it for steaming ONLY. Read More. Looks like thats not an option. I am glad you got your setup working Murat. Add to cart Buy Now. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Thanks in advance for any reply! I deliberately avoided looking at the Mr Shades kits and instructions when I wrote this article, I dont want to steer people away from them. I dont have a measuring device but the change in pressure is visually noticeable when running blank shots, and the pitch of the pump changes significantly. The cup warmer does seem a bit hotter than before (but have only used twice since installing, so Ill have to pay attention). Shop. 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